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Weekly Income ETFs Explained: GraniteShares + Top Creators Break Down the New Income Investing Boom

• Michael A. Gayed, CFA

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In this special Lead-Lag Live webinar sponsored by GraniteShares, Michael Gayed brings together some of the biggest YouTube creators in the income-investing space for a fresh, free-flowing conversation on weekly dividends, options-based income ETFs, yield strategies, and the rise of “living free from your brokerage account.”

Featuring leaders from across the ETF and income-investing world, this session dives into:

  • Why weekly dividend ETFs have exploded in popularity
  • The psychology behind income now vs long-term growth
  • How YieldBoost works — and how it differs from traditional covered calls
  • Myths and misunderstandings about options-based income
  • How creators and investors actually use weekly distributions
  • Global demand for passive-income tools
  • How income ETFs behave in a rate-cutting cycle
  • New launches from GraniteShares, including semiconductors & gold miners

If you’re looking to build income, understand the mechanics of modern ETF strategies, or learn from creators who have built massive communities in this space — this conversation is packed with practical insight.

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SPEAKER_03:

We should have a good turnout for today's webinar sponsored by Granite Chairs. It's gonna be a very different type of webinar because as you'll see, there's more than just me and Will uh here. There's uh some very handsome young men as well. We're gonna be talking about uh not just uh their their skincare routine, but also uh options-based income strategies. Uh, these are influencers, especially in the YouTube space. Each of them have phenomenal YouTube channels. We'll touch on each of their backgrounds, but uh hopefully it'll be a good conversation. For those that are here for the CE credits, I will email you after this webinar, get your information, and we'll try to uh get you that C credit. And of course, if you have any questions during this conversation, put in the QA. We'll address it towards the end. But like I said, this is gonna be a very different free-flowing conversation. So, with that said, my name is Michael Gayad. This webinar is sponsored by Granite Shares. I think it might make sense to have everybody introduce themselves. So let's start off with Mr. Will Rind, uh, who's kind of an important guy here.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you. And uh obviously good afternoon, everybody. My name is Will. Will Rind, founder and CEO of Granite Shares. We are an ETF issuer, so uh issue ETFs here in the US, uh in European markets, um, and active in Asia as well, based in New York City.

SPEAKER_03:

Mr. Jordan Collier, who Collier? I want to say Collier because it sounds French.

SPEAKER_04:

Everybody does, you and everybody makes those same assumptions. They think it's French. No, it's Collier. Uh, I run a channel call cover called ETF Investing, focusing on just that, uh, income investing strategies through uh ETFs uh up here in Canada. Which has some French influences, by the way. Uh let's go.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, Spencer Dunbar, who recently got married. Spencer from Spencer Invest. I talk about a lot of things these days, adding a little bit of growth, but my primary bread and butter content is weekly dividend ETFs that have kind of exploded in popularity. So Mr. Marcos.

SPEAKER_01:

Hello, my name is Marcos. I run Marcos Mia YouTube channel talking about everything ETFs from income to growth and everything in between. I also host the number one show for ETF issuers and influencers um talking about the ETFs. And I think that's the that's always gonna be the goal. So I really uh appreciate you having me, Michael.

SPEAKER_03:

And of course, Todd, who's got a telescope in the background because he wants to go to the movie.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, um, one day. Um yeah, I run unconventional wealth ideas, and uh we focus on living free out of your brokerage account. You know, not only just trying to outperform the markets, which we're currently beating all of the indexes, even during the recent decline, we're still beating the indexes. Uh, we're trying to not only do that, but live free out of our brokerage accounts.

SPEAKER_03:

What about a Spencer first? Um, you said these strategies, these weekly strategies, income strategies have exploded in popularity. First of all, the fact that you guys built a following uh is a tremendous accomplishment. I know how hard YouTube is. I want to get your take, Spencer, and then maybe everybody else kind of chime in. Why is it that there's been such popularity for weekly income strategies?

SPEAKER_02:

I think it comes down to the simple uh, I don't want to say greed, drive, I should say, of people wanting money as soon as possible. And it blows my mind a little bit. I've actually received quite a few comments over the last six months. I do deep dives into the weekly payers and track them. And there is actually a pretty vast audience of people that would prefer a fund that pays weekly over monthly, even if the monthly paying ETF outperforms the weekly. So the drive for cash flow um for weekly dividends is there. It's just there is it's growing in popularity. Um and it seems I'm not sure if it's an older audience, a younger audience. I kind of get a mix of it. I get a uh kind of the best of both worlds where young people want money now, and older people that are in retirement or that are looking to retire or just looking to have higher level levels of cash flow are interested in getting it weekly over monthly.

SPEAKER_03:

So Will, I remember at uh a conference you and I were at, you were a speaker and you were mentioning some stats around the growth being like unbelievable. You threw some numbers out. I don't know if you want to kind of re-regurgitate that.

SPEAKER_00:

Certainly the the interest is is massive. I mean, the numbers will will change, but it's you know, billions of dollars um worth of interest in this category. And I think you know, Todd said something that um you know really reminds me, I think, of what's going on, and that's you know, the living fruit living free out of a brokerage account. And maybe that the sort of the riff on that, which I come across time and time again, is just people wanting um some financial freedom more broadly and the ability to sleep at night. And I think where specifically these income strategies have become so popular is people really just have one income source in their life, and that's typically their job. Or if you're retired, then it's your primary um source that you've created. And particularly for people I think that are working, it's this desire to have a secondary source of income independent from your job. And that could be, you know, for job security, if you were to lose your job, it could be for just to help with um, you know, monthly expenses, etc. But I I get the sense that more and more this is becoming a more popular movement, not just here in the US, but globally, that people are trying to create um income streams, passive income streams, you know, beyond the nine to five that they have.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's touch on that globally point, because I see Jordan, you're nodding your head, right? I mean, you're in Canada. Uh which is which is interesting, right? That you've got obviously non-US content creators focusing on this category.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, um, for sure. And I think uh Will, you're you're absolutely right about that. I think what people see in the income strategy is opposed to growth, which uh really relies on price appreciation, maybe still working your nine to five to contribute more to the growth strategy. And so it really relies on that primary income source, whereas the income strategy, uh, and especially in my experience, right? I I work full-time at a at a shipyard in in Vancouver, British Columbia. And um and and that's exactly what I see. People see me taking, you know, a lot of time off, you know, like one day, two days, potentially every c every couple of weeks, and it and it's not it doesn't really impact me in any really serious way. So even people that work with me and and interact with me, they I can see it, it, it's uh it's an infectious uh kind of uh movement. And people want more of that. They want more, they wanna, they essentially want to just purchase more independence, purchase more time for themselves, and they get that through the income strategy.

SPEAKER_03:

I saw I saw Marcos was uh at a conference in uh California, and he was bringing his camera and he was interviewing different uh fund issuers and companies. Uh Marcos, I think you built a nice following. You mentioned that you're covering all kinds of topics. Do you find that the income options-based income strategies tend to get the most traction and attention? I'm curious kind of what you're seeing in terms of where demand for content is.

SPEAKER_01:

And I'm gonna kind of touch on like Spencer's point of like people saying that they want more income and the reasons like why. So this is like a big, a big belief I have is you know, financial instability. That's kind of my thought process of people thinking that you know things might be too expensive, fears of losing a job, kind of like what Will said, is just that that fear and people just wanting income now and they're willing to trade off in capital upside for that stream of income, which I find pretty bizarre. I'd rather just go for growth and then let that compound sell it off at a way more tax-efficient manner. But that's the reason why, you know, something like rential shares and yield boost and all these other issues are coming out with innovative products that allow people to get income now weekly and hopefully have a good strategy for their portfolio.

SPEAKER_03:

I I think a lot of people that are familiar with these options-based strategies are familiar with cover calls, right? As the sort of primary way to generate the income. What you do with yield boost is really quite different. Uh let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, there's definitely a part of it that's very different, but also a part that's quite similar. And, you know, covered calls is probably the brand name that that people are are most familiar with in terms of an options income strategy. And instead of selling a call option, we sell a put option. So the payoff is is identical. Um, where yield boost differs is that with a traditional covered call strategy, there's no downside protection. So you sell the call option um to generate the income. And then if the underlying goes down, you have exposure to that downside movement. Where yield boost is different is we buy a put option at the same time. So we create a spread. We call this um a put spread, um, a bullish put spread. And this involves both selling a put option to generate income and buying a put option to offer some downside protection. So you effectively have a defined outcome for that week's uh movement.

SPEAKER_03:

How low is that floor? I mean, uh is it it changes weekly? Talk about the mechanics for that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean that that's obviously where the the management comes in, and there's um an element to that where as the manager we can decide you know where to put that. I mean, I think, you know, first and foremost, these are designed to manufacture income and they're designed to manufacture, you know, high levels of income. So we do that as the primary objective. The secondary objective is like I said to generate some downside protection. Typically, we sell um options that are close to at the money for the income generation, and then we buy uh put options which are roughly around one standard deviation out of the money, so slightly out of the money.

SPEAKER_03:

Go to uh my boy Todd here. Um I want to call you the mythbuster, right? Can I call you the mythbuster?

SPEAKER_05:

Absolutely. I'll take that.

SPEAKER_03:

All right, so let's bust some myths when it comes to options-based income strategies, cover call strategies, and what you're seeing out there. I see you do these spaces, I see you come in and you you you you know, in the old spard, you end up you know talking about things which uh people don't want to talk about, which is around NAFAR ocean, but let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_05:

Again, thanks for having me, guys. And, you know, I know these dividends that we get are quite large. You know, a lot of different fund managers have these, you know, higher yields these days. And like we all spoke, you know, about on the panel, you know, yeah, 50% of people are paycheck to paycheck, and so they're looking for extra income. So they're going for places to get that. And then when they look at the charts of these companies, they see that the charts are declining. So the investment's declining. And all you have to do is just factor back in dividends, and then you see a different chart. It looks like a completely different chart. Try Morningstar. I we I don't get paid by anybody here. I'm just saying Morningstar, nothing, you know, no, no, I don't get paid by granite shares or anyone. I just, you know, I have my own portfolio and I get very passionate about this because we earn over a million per year in dividends, but people think that that's all fake, you know, because you know, the funds are declining and the charts are declining. And so this is just a complete false narrative that I'm pushing. But again, we're outperforming all the indexes. And I think, you know, again, people just need to factor back in dividends, use a Morningstar, go to the funds website, go to Grand Shares website, go to everyone's website, and you'll see their total returns. And also on a day-to-day basis, you know, I think they have this misconception that these are so risky, they're falling. But yeah, maybe you're talking about maybe uh some Bitcoin-related areas of the market or some small caps, you know, or some high beta growth areas. But, you know, some things that I like, for example, with granite shares, and again, I don't get promoted by anyone. I I don't get paid for promotion. I just want to throw that out there.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, granite shares, I mean, yeah, they're making a million dollars in dividend, he doesn't need to get paid by the Michael.

SPEAKER_05:

I appreciate that. Thank you. And, you know, I I know that Granite Shares has, you know, some of those, you know, like Mag 7 names that I think are all wonderful names if you just go by their statistics. Obviously, look at their performance over the last 10 years. But then he also, you know, I uh Will, you know, I was speaking about Will, but Granite Shares, you know, they have, you know, indexed vehicles as well, like YSPY, TQQY. And I was just mentioning this to Will before the podcast started, was you know, those held up really well during the recent downturn in the market because they're not tied to those high beta areas, which a lot of people think, you know, all this stuff is just is just nonsense. All these high yield names are falling, but they're just chasing the highest, you know, the higher beta names, the most exciting meme stocks out there in some cases, like the coin bases of the world or something like that, the the micro strategies. And so if you have a total approach with your account and you're staying basically tied to the indexes and you keep the other kinds of holdings smaller and weighted smaller in your account, well, then you tend to fall with the indexes. And so that's why we continue to outperform even with margin, you know, even with the leverage, we're still outperforming because our dividends then come in and pay it on our margin, which grows our performance. And then our account grows at the same time and our margin debt falls. It's really a great strategy, in my opinion, if you do margin conservatively. And so again, I use um YSP, uh, Y SPY and TQQY. I've been hiding out there recently. Everyone's been going to you know, other funds. I don't really want to mention them, but for the purposes of this podcast, I am just sharing what works with me. I have been going into those because they have the put option, like Will was describing. You know, they sell puts, which I think it's another misnomer here. And I appreciate you letting me, you know, take the floor on this, Michael, just a little bit because you know, a lot of people think selling options is risky or something. But I know that when you sell puts, to me, it's one of the more conservative ways to do it. Warren Buffett did it with Coca-Cola, you know, he sells puts on Coca-Cola. And so when I saw the funds that, you know, Granite Shares was offering, and you know, they're offering indexed funds that also had puts with them. So they might be using leveraged vehicles like uh a UPRO or an SPXL or something to get their, to get their higher yield, but they still outperformed in a down market recently. Once again, I just want to tip my hat off to you, you know, Will, there, because you know, uh that was quite impressive and that really helped me continue to outperform. And if people just were aware of all these facts, play this back. If you if you didn't hear this, you know, play it back slowly, you know, that would, you know, uh improve a lot of your results when you invest.

SPEAKER_03:

Will you just launched uh I think two other yield boost funds recently.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, we're increasing the offering all the time. So we have um yield boost uh semiconductor, which is a semi um SEMY, and that's based upon uh an underlying semiconductor, uh SOXL, which is a 3X semiconductor um ETF. And then we also have uh Yield Boost Gold Miners, um, which again follows the same theme, underlying leverage gold miners index. And I think again to Todd's point that this is really just expanding the offering. So it's not just about individual names, it's about broad indices, whether it be uh Nasdaq or SP or more thematic um indices in terms of gold mining stocks or or semiconductors, but ultimately it's putting the investor in the driving seat, which is you know taking a view on what their particular flavor of income looks like and the you know, the the view, the conviction they have around that underlying or that underlying index. And clearly there's a trade-off in terms of risk reward. So your individual names um are gonna have all things being equal, a much higher level of income than a broad index, but there's you know also an increased level of risk that goes along with that. Um so it's really just a you know increasing the offering to order to offer a broader range of um you know ideas and and strategies that people want.

SPEAKER_03:

Marcos, I want to go to you. The um I I think people think about some of these income strategies, they think an entire portfolio is just made up of these types of strategies. I don't get the sense that your portfolio is just that. So assuming I'm right on that, how do you think about uh how much you want to allocate towards strategies like Yo Boost?

SPEAKER_01:

So for my portfolio, I have uh it's funny because whenever I do the interviews or like the uh my content, everybody's like, um, so we just had 50,000 subscribers yesterday. It was awesome, it was amazing. So we're gonna celebrate this weekend. Um and we get all these views and stuff, then people are like, Marcus didn't have any like cover call products. I'm like, well, I have a different strategy. I just inner I'm just I'm just the interviewer at this point, but yeah, so no cover call strategies, but with yield boost, I'm not seeing a lot of uh retail on Blossom and just like on the comment section have uh uh pretty sizable positions in a few yield boost products, that being uh T SYY, NVYY. And then usually the more sophisticated investors like Todd, for example, would use like Y Spy and TQQY um just because there's like different ways to to use those strategies. But I would say with grant shares and what yield boost is doing right is kind of educating the investor because I would say that um with Yield Boost, it's kind of more of a complex product that people might not grasp right away. You know, you look at like a JEP or JEPQ, cover calls on the SNP or the NASDAQ about when you're doing these type of strategies push threads, right? It's it's more beneficial to educate the investors. So I love seeing Will's interviews.

SPEAKER_03:

Which is an interesting point, Jordan, right? Because you can argue there's two types of investors, those that just want the shiny object high yield, and those that actually want to know what they're investing in. And I I see a lot of the comments put around competitors to yield boosts, which uh there are many, but not max. Um, but I I'm curious, I mean, as a content creator, do you find it's it's do you find people really want to understand how these things work, or do they just see that yield and that's it?

SPEAKER_04:

No, they they do. I uh and a good example of this is uh I was in Toronto for the uh uh the Blossom event that was in September. And and uh a lot of the sponsors, it was it was really ho uh it was uh every booth was pretty much a cover call ETF issuer. It was that those were the primary sponsors of the event. And uh and uh one of the sp one of the uh sponsors in particular was just telling me uh they had a booth, and one of the fund managers was telling me how these retail investors are coming to them with more sophisticated questions than advisors are coming to them. And he was uh quite surprised by that. And uh now to me, I'm not surprised. I've been doing this for almost three years um with this channel. So um I get a lot of the same questions as I know many of the other creators do as well. And I'm sure Michael N will, you do as well. We all we all tend to those same questions. These income investors, they want to know. This isn't a transient audience. These are people that are committed, they want to watch. You make an hour video, they're gonna watch an hour video, right? Not everybody, but there is a uh there is a committed core that really wants to know. And they see people like myself and and others who are using these products and trying to use them responsibly and not just uh trying to uh just be willy nilly. Like we wanna be um, we wanna educate our audience and we also wanna be um. you know, like good leads in in the space as well.

SPEAKER_03:

You use the word responsibly. So Spencer, let's go with that. Um do you find that the the people that receive these distributions do they spend it or do they reinvest it or do they reallocate it somewhere else? I mean what what are people actually doing with that that payout?

SPEAKER_02:

As we move into an income centered space, I initially started dividend investing using you know covered calls to pay for my car payment. And I realized after I paid off my car, I was like, well what do I use it for now? And I just started reinvesting it instead. And then hey bought a second car as it is with I wish I wish. But what happened was it was pretty amazing because now I'm like well now my my distributions are are higher. You know it's not miles higher but I mean every week getting a little bit more a little bit more piled on top of it. And so I find that there's a course of a mix because the the retirees that are looking to just pull the money out and live off of it. But we're now seeing a younger audience utilize this and there's so much you can do with it. Yes you can use it to pay down your student loans. You can use it to you know help pay for rent for for a house. But on top of that, once you start piling it back in and seeing the growth aspect to get compounding involved and and it really kind of changes the space where income I call myself an income investor, but I'm kind of like a hybrid income growth investor because I'm not just relying on my income to live. I don't spend any of my dividends all of it now is reallocated either sometimes to growth positions and then sometimes back into the original holdings as I'm getting paid. And I think that's something that's different that we're seeing over the the last couple of years. It's kind of taking shape now and people are realizing yes you can you can be a hybrid investor. You don't have to go one or the other dividends or growth uh but you can do whatever you want with the dividends and your cash flow is up. So I think that's a really important part. And I think uh income investing can get a bad rap from growth investors. But I like kind of showcasing that you can do whatever you want with it. You don't have to pull the money out. You can keep growing your portfolios utilizing those distributions.

SPEAKER_05:

I agree with with everything Spencer was saying including what Jordan and Marcos were saying you know but I would just add that you know I think a lot of people just drip anything uh and again that's not what Spencer was saying right he has an actual strategy with what he drips but some people will just kind of drip anything on auto drip and they should potenti you know they should um you know perhaps drip on dips in the market and you know and they're not only dripping they're not only just auto dripping and and they should be buying on wider nets down and wider nets down but they might be dripping some of those higher beta names that I just mentioned again instead of dripping into the more conservative index related funds they're dripping everything and they're wondering what's happening to their performance they're not they're not manually dripping I guess you could say you know dripping on dips you know and then watching their allocations to your earlier point Michael you know they're they're over allocated in the high beta and in and underallocated in the boring index ETFs.

SPEAKER_03:

And the whole uh category will really grew because people wanted income from growth, right? I mean especially with bonds not really being attracted.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah I mean that there's a number of I mean clearly clear this is where there's a broad church of investors and every everybody's need is different. I think where I find a lot of this came from is in the mutual fund world where you used to have growth and income funds and you used to have a fund that kind of styled itself as giving you both and actually what you ended up with is not much growth and not much income. And I think one thing that the ETF industry has done really well is develop these hyper precision tools that will deliver you growth or hypergrowth or income or you know significant amounts of income. And you can assemble these to you know meet whatever needs that you have and that might be you know if it's a need for for income to cover specific things um if it's a need for growth if it's a need for you know whatever it may be you can assemble that you know very precisely now in a way that you just couldn't do a few years ago and that's what you know the benefit of of ETFs like this allows you to do.

SPEAKER_03:

So like everything else there's always competitors right so I'm curious to hear from everybody if you see you know one options based income strategy around NVIDIA from one issuer versus another issuer what would make you choose a particular fund? Is it brand name? Is it the strategy is it the yield itself is it the fee? I'm I'm curious when you have different types of products what what makes you choose other top go ahead.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah I I don't mean to just keep touting yield boosts but I mean when you're please do when you're yeah I mean I'll say I'll say it yeah I yeah I you know I I I'm not trying to come off like that but it's just that when you're investing in a turbulent market or when you are using some leverage, it's nice to have put options and it's nice to also sell puts because selling puts is typically for me I've experienced lower volatility you know than just you know buying let's say well selling puts is lower volatility in the stock itself you know and then when you're selling puts uh you know you have all kinds of advantages that it brings you know we could get into that later in this discussion you know um but the way that you sell puts with with the buying of the put, you know, it reduces your volatility you know and you know a lot of these competitors to your point they they will sell some puts but a lot of them don't add in a put you know and that's what I really like about yield boost. And that's what again has been holding up my portfolio so well. Marcos should jump ball to you on on that one.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh man I feel like a lot of investors are going to be really tied down to a few issuers. I think my prediction is that for next year at least there's going to be a lot of investors piling into like two or three issuers. And I just firmly believe that um it's gonna be like an arms race to see you know we're seeing outflows from a particular issuer and people are trying to figure out where to allocate that money. So they're gonna allocate towards two to three maybe four issuers max and that's kind of going to be their um their home. But I would say for certain strategies though there's issuers that come out with you know highest income possible leverage plus income that they don't even do cover calls but they give you income and then selling puts so there's going to be like a whole different uh menu of of strategies but I firmly believe that we're gonna see a lot of uh retail investors pile into two or three um and it's gonna be a fun to see which of those threes are I think we're you could see inflows on like ETFaction.com but I'm really excited for what everybody has to launch and I know a lot of other issuers are launching really cool products in December and I want to see what happens in 2026. So it's gonna be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04:

Marcos I uh I remember like a couple years ago and I was I remember speaking with uh Adriano we did an interview and we were talking about how uh I we thought that like well we're at the pinnacle of uh of launches and boy were you know we were so wrong about that and uh it just keeps growing year after year after year. So at this point I'm gonna hold judgment on any of that next year we'll be bigger than this year and uh I just think it'll keep getting better and better. But as as far as um as far as like strategy strategies are concerned with maybe the same maybe the same ticker symbol on it, I mean investors maybe think also about you know just how you're getting your uh total return, right? Is it uh is it how how much of that total return is wrapped up in the income coming to you versus uh what you're getting in the share price. So this will more or less correlate with the call option writing coverage, right? So up here in Canada, a common strategy up here, and this is where uh other investors might uh they they hear the words cap upside. Well a lot of the funds up here in Canada already have a built-in hybrid strategy where you get you get exposure to say 50% on the portfolio call option writing and then the other 50% is unbound it can do as the underlying will perform. So that that's also a a nice benefit as well is that you essentially get these two in ones. You don't have to say go to one fund just for an income and then buy back the same you say the same ticker without any sort of uh option writing on it. You get these sort of more hybrid um um uh uh strategies so yeah in investors can always uh go for those kinds of strategies and just remember on that 50% that's what's going to get cup cap on it get capped on the upside and then the other half will allow for much more growth in that cover call ETF.

SPEAKER_03:

Just a reminder folks I will be uh emailing those that are here for the CE credit after this webinar. Will maybe I think it'd be good for you to kind of do a uh a summary on yield boosts on grand shares um especially given that we may or may not be an interest rate cutting cycle and what that might mean for strategies like what you offer.

SPEAKER_00:

You know the the premise of high yield clearly is correlated with rates in the sense that um the lower that interest rates go then the more people have demand for yield or income um in the portfolio. So you know crucially when rates went to zero uh in COVID and after COVID you had a huge amount of interest in interest in income that or yielding ETF yielding instruments that yielded something and the higher that they got the more interesting that became and so now you know we're in an environment where it may not be right now, but at least the new Fed share you know coming in and one would one would think that the administration is clearly interested in rates being a lot lower than they are today. And therefore it will just further fuel this demand for income. I mean people's bills aren't going down so whether it be car payments, insurance payments, whatever it may be, so people's income needs um are not going anywhere. And therefore you know the the ability to manufacture income um will continue to be as relevant as it's ever been.

SPEAKER_04:

I think the other thing that's gone down in price the last three years are turkeys uh I saw something some stat on that forever that's like real uh everybody else here I'd like you all to kind of talk about your channels uh and how people can follow you so Jordan you first yeah I mean very simply put you can you can follow me on Blossom at cover calletf investing or on YouTube cover calletfinvesting.com you'll see just uh a bit of a hybrid approach between just interviews i i talk a lot about you know my my own personal journey and uh you know making my way towards fire having been doing this for almost two and a half years so that's where you can find me Marcos yeah Marcos Mia on YouTube and posting a lot of content so hopefully see you there Spencer Spencer invests everywhere I think I'm on nearly every social media app I'm on X.

SPEAKER_02:

YouTube's the main platform TikTok Shaky on there you know Instagram yeah I'm gonna talk all about weeklies and I'm gonna continue tracking I usually buy a hundred dollars of every weekly payer so I have a lot of the yield boost in that portfolio now there's like I don't even know 200 weekly payers so it's getting a lot more financially uh needing but yeah follow me on there and of course Todd who I'm telling you you gotta do so yeah I want to see like what you're looking at from the telescope I want to just I don't know what you're looking at from that at night.

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Yeah um it's it's there's some pretty good views out there. Um uh yeah uh yeah you always give me you always talk to me about my telescope it's uh it's great seeing you Michael you know and it's great seeing everyone here follow me uh you know at YouTube uh Unconventional Wealth Ideas you can also go to my website unconventional wealthideas.com and um also uh you can you know check out our Discord we have over 3,000 members there and we all we talk anything finance related you know anything that's um you know helping us live free from non to five for granite shares is full uh lineup of products granite shares.com you'll see yield boost as well at liberty TFs and several other uh institutional funds so thank you buddy everybody for attending thank everybody because hopefully this was an interesting conversation I'll release this as a podcast enough and we'll see you all on the next webinar sponsored by Granite shares thanks everybody thank you take care guys great good seeing you all

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